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Apr 09, 2012, 05:13 PM // 17:13
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Desert Nomad
Join Date: Mar 2010
Guild: Anna
Profession: A/
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Many will agree to say that most updates we had generally made no sense, whereas kind of updates i mentionned above wouldn't have required a big job at all.. Let's just hope that gw2 will take into account gw1 mistakes. |
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Apr 09, 2012, 05:58 PM // 17:58
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Ascalonian Squire
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: Minnesota
Guild: Heroes of Titans Realm
Profession: E/Mo
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One thing that should be mentioned is that they're no longer supporting older versions of Windows. Doesn't this allow the GW1 devs more freedom in terms of what they can do with updates and features?
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Apr 09, 2012, 07:05 PM // 19:05
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Jungle Guide
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Trying to stay out of Ryuk's Death Note
Profession: N/R
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Discontinuing support for older versions of Windows allows us to deploy features that will improve account management and security. They said nothing about added features and updates but one can hope. |
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Apr 09, 2012, 09:20 PM // 21:20
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Ascalonian Squire
Join Date: Apr 2011
Guild: [fail]
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Apr 09, 2012, 10:34 PM // 22:34
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Furnace Stoker
Join Date: Apr 2006
Guild: Amazon Basin [AB]
Profession: Mo/Me
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I see the change as somehow related to them improving security for GW2 frankly. GW1 accounts may well be using the same official forums for example.
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Apr 11, 2012, 07:26 AM // 07:26
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Frost Gate Guardian
Join Date: Jun 2010
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At most we might get a cool new feature or two (something small like the friend locations aka who on my list is also my friend) and if we are really lucky, a skill update (I seriously doubt it). I expect it will be the usual drops, maybe some kind of party like event (similair to the farewell to Gaile) but no big quests, no fun lore, no cool items to collect (aside from the birthday gifts which very few people who still play will be getting - how many people are still logging in after 7 years compared to those who picked up the game later on?). Maybe we will get costumes or a novel quest, but seriously, keep your expectations low. It's sad they are taking the Live Team away from GW1, I understand the all hands on deck approach, but it really seems like they contribute most by working on the original rather than polishing or bug fixing the sequel. I'm glad they at least get to work on the new game and can claim they contributed in some way, must be nice career-wise - and probably interesting to do something new with different limitations. They did say they will keep supporting GW1 after GW2 was launched, and many people believed that was not only limited to the servers but included the Live Team as well (I believe Stumme mentioned he wanted it that way, I don't think he promised it or said it would happen in any official capacity), so it's disappointing that they are going to stop supporting (even if it's just until launch or earlier) GW1 to feed the sequel. If they work on the game up until launch, GW1 very likely won't see a content update for the next 12 months (barring whatever they did for the anniversary) based off of the time it takes to create and release new content, and it's not like we were seeing much before this news. If that really is the case, why bother returning the team to a game which went stale for a year and had it's population hit by the release of a sequel? I expect people to still play a year from now, but I don't think the community will be big enough to justify the Live Team after this. To me, this is the end of GW1 development, which is a sad concept as many of us were expecting (based off of what we were told) that GW1 development would continue, even as stifled as it is, even after the sequel launched. For those of you who talk crap about subscription fees or F2P (I should ignore anyone who said that to be fair seeing as the game has never been F2P) I seem to recall giving ArenaNet money last year on several different occasions under the premise that buying costumes would support the continued development of GW1, so I haven't been getting "free updates" for the last few years - I've continued to financially support ArenaNet. As far as I could see there were two reasons to keep the Live Team active on GW1 (possibly three).
With the Live Team now gone for the foreseeable future (possibly until release) by the time they return, few if none of these reasons will be relevant. What incentive will be left for them to stick around? Last edited by tummlykins; Apr 11, 2012 at 07:30 AM // 07:30.. |
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Apr 11, 2012, 03:33 PM // 15:33
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Academy Page
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: Ancestral Lands
Guild: Dont Rage [シシ]
Profession: A/W
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"All good things must come to an end.
I feel like I'm the only one here who is at ease with them shifting resources to Guild Wars 2. This game is seven years and truly had an amazing run. In my opinion Guild Wars was an industrial symbol but just because of the praise it deserves, people shouldn't act obsessive. ArenaNet said they would continue to support the game but that was it. I don't know how someone could detract updates or new content from that in the very first place. I can't wait for Guild Wars 2 to come out simply because it is a new game. I'm ready for this new chapter in my gaming history and I really believe that those who still hold to this game are acting foolish. This game has also been my love but there is no point in staying on a sinking ship. Clearly they've made enough profit off of this money and that is what ArenaNet wanted. They are not our next door neighbor or a parent who unconditionally loves us, but rather a company. They are profit motivated and they reaped what they got. They were very courteous and gave us extra content, which in my opinion, was way beyond all the money I spent on this game, but just because they showered us with extra treats does not mean that they pare particularly obligated to. They care about their fan base but as a company, they will set their eyes on our cash. It isn't evil but a way of modern society. |
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Apr 11, 2012, 05:30 PM // 17:30
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Desert Nomad
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Holland
Guild: [GaMe]
Profession: Rt/
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remember: GW2 is a different game, same story(but then years later), but different game why should they leave GW floating and ignore its playerbase? it can be a nice source of profit if they continue to add stuff (not just gifts and such, but also elona content and such) 2 games is better than 1 game, so if they support both with full (as far as possible after GW2's release) attention, then both games give nice profit also, why should GW be left alone only cuz its 7 years old? why should GW be left alone only cuz no other MMO has made it through 7 years like this? (maybe a few did, i dunno) should they make enough profit out of GW2 they could even make another GW expansion, or just keep smaller but still big updates, depending on how many stay in/come to GW after GW2's release its not like older games should be left alone cuz there's a new one * "left alone" means in this case, that its online, but not being made better/bigger (whether its a whole expansion or another ingame content) * so dont talk GW to its grave, as that would have bad effect on anet's income, like people new in GW would think like: oh its dying.... bye besides, GW is the only MMO(i know, its named CORPG) which really made me play for this long, its that good should anet keep going on with GW while also having GW2 released, their income would be enormous, as people can play both without worrying about fees (1 of the few times i compare GW to other MMO's) and GW has nice ingame store stuff which they can make bigger over time, also nice addition so whats better? 1. GW being left online without further attention, and people leaving the game 2. GW and GW2 both getting alot of attention (GW2 more, but GW enough for the players) making people who DO like the game stay in GW AND buy/play GW2 PLUS buying ingame store stuff (not all, but alot will) in both games, instead of 1 you say it... i think its nr2  also 1 more thing: there are people who left GW and now wont buy GW2 cuz they either have not much faith in anet as GW is kinda less updated than before, or they found a game (or more games) where updates keep coming i've seen perfect world games, and PWi is old (the game Perfect World), yet people still play that game AND their newer games so its possible to keep people joining, playing AND paying for extra stuff in GW and then PWi is less advanced than GW (except has more .... dungeons(?) ) so GW can survive much longer if they do it right now they give GW2 more attention, but after GW2 has really started to live effectively, they can just get more out of GW i for 1 stay in GW, and prolly buy more storage tabs and maybe char slots and merc hero slots then i may buy future costumes if i like em, and if GW ever gets more expansions, i surely buy em so GW dying money-wise? nah, just community-wise ATM i know enough others who'll play both btw, including my reallife sister and friend dont worry, if they do it right (and i have enough faith in em) they can make more than enough profit from GW even after GW2, like giving more stuff (once they got the time and space again) |
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Apr 11, 2012, 06:31 PM // 18:31
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Wilds Pathfinder
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Tyria
Guild: Real Millennium Group
Profession: Mo/N
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Because it is something enjoyable and the entertainment has not faded over the years. I still play Wizardry, Eye of the Beholder, Baulder's Gate, Stronghold, SimCity (the original and 2000) on a regular basis because I still find the experience of the games enjoyable. Just like I continue to read the same book or watch the same movie time and again, even though I have pretty much memorized both. The fun and enjoyment has not faded, nor will likely fade at this point. A game's age has nothing to do with the experience it can provide - to throw something away just because its "old" is truly the foolish path. That being said, it should be little surprise that the Live Team has been shanghaied - just look at any game released today - the bugs and problems are inevitable, but the devs are going to try to do everything they can to avoid another Stronghold 3 or Star Trek Online debut. Even GW1 has problems in the first few months and it wasn't really until Factions was released that it really hit its stride. Hanok |
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Apr 11, 2012, 06:34 PM // 18:34
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Desert Nomad
Join Date: Jan 2010
Guild: [Pink]
Profession: P/
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Apr 11, 2012, 07:15 PM // 19:15
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are we there yet?
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: in a land far far away
Guild: guild? I am supposed to have a guild?
Profession: Rt/
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I look at it this way: (a few bad examples)
you have your first kid, you lavish attention on it--when the 2nd one arrives do you stop feeding the first? You own a restaurant, you open a 2nd one--yeah it takes lots of effort, but do you close the 1st one down because you have a 2nd? You buy a 2nd car--do you stop driving the first???? gw and gw2 are TOTALLY DIFFERENT games. It would be foolish to stop taking care of the one with the 2nd not even out the door yet--and heaven only knows if it will succeed, what if it crashes and burns (Tabula Rasa???) then what do you have? NO games at all. Best not to cut off your foot until you have secured your new means of locomotion.
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Apr 11, 2012, 07:51 PM // 19:51
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Academy Page
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: Ancestral Lands
Guild: Dont Rage [シシ]
Profession: A/W
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Your statement, "2 games is better than 1 game" is not true at all. As a company, they will want money. A great example of how wrong your statement is would be from Bungie Studios. Two years ago they shut down the Halo 2 servers because of the lack of a sustainable population. Keeping it afloat for a bare community was idiotic for them because it was acting as a leech of their money. Game studios aren't some sort of... idealistic safe paradise, they are a company. If a game isn't doing well, they will shift their priorities accordingly, and what that wiki post from John Stumme indicates is that Guild Wars is once again getting older and with a game that is nearly completed, their effectiveness as a company would be better spend developing one game rather than two. You act as if I hate Guild Wars. I loved this game just as much as any other fanboy/fangirl. I remember spending days in Study Hall formulating damage and armor tables and theorycrafting in my spare time. I lived and breathed Guild Wars back in the day. Guild Wars is not getting abandoned primarily because of how old it is, but because of the amount of people that are drifting away and due to the production of Guild Wars 2. What you later on to say is pure speculation. Primarily on two field; if Guild Wars 1 is sufficiently alive enough by the time they are ready to make their next step after the initial release, updates, and fixes for Guild Wars 2, which I would say, would be a good 2 - 3 months in time overall, then they may develop more for Guild Wars 1. It's all about what they can get from it. Why produce content that takes months to make for a few thousand people while they can make something (that is also much more advanced and better use of their time, due to their new engine by the way) that would be played by hundreds of thousands of players? It would be illogical to do that. The time and money to be put into a game with a bareboned community would be, quite frankly, idiotic. But, if Guild Wars 1 would be alive enough after the intial period of Guild Wars 2, then it is still in the realm of possibility they would make content for Guild Wars 1. It is unforeseeable right now due to Guild Wars 2: ArenaNet's primary project. With that, this speculation of yours has nothing to do with the post. I don't need to say anything to new players in order for them to see how stagnant this game has become, and mind you, I say this neutrally. Guild Wars 1 is how it was created. We see the effects of ArenaNet's actions and inactions, and clearly, the game's dispersing population is due to its age and by its company. I truly, with all my heart, believe that Guild Wars 1 should be supported by ArenaNet until they believe it is time for it to die. And given by what the population is like, and possible figures, it would be best to leave an extraordinary content out of this game due to how small the population has become. They've had an influx of players throughout this game's duration but even now has it started to reach new levels of small. Another thing I noticed in what you said was "so GW dying money-wise? nah, just community-wise ATM" which interests me how you came to such a conclusion. Games generate money by their community which consists of nothing but customers. If the game is dying community wise then why is it, in your rationale, that money itself is dying. If customers are leaving, and by extension not giving money, then how are they able to sustain GW profit-wise? In my opinion, the drop in money they generate is an indicator for the stagnation of their community. Who else would give them money for their game but their community? Quote:
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Apr 11, 2012, 11:00 PM // 23:00
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Jungle Guide
Join Date: Nov 2007
Profession: R/
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Guildwars, as it stands right now, is perfectly playable. There aren't any drastic issues that require a Live Teams immediate attention. Last time I checked, Anet did not promise to keep a Live Team working on GW, they promised to keep GW online. Well, I dunno about the rest of you, but I can still login (barring the 004 error).
Yeah, boohoo, no ranger update (and as a primary fricking ranger on 50/50 and 1 title from GWAMM, I feel that pain more than 90% of the people bitching about it, so you can frankly suck it...), no Elona WoC equivalent, no... no....no....no shit. Gravy train ends somewhere people, and it's been 4 years since the last expansion. With all sincerity, wrap your delusional little minds around that fact.... then you'll realize that a temporary reassignment of the Live Team is, frankly, a goddamn motherfrakking miracle. Bluntly, if the ability to pre-purchase Gw2 doesn't tell you something about Anet's financial state, you're a blithering idiot. That, or I've read too much into it.... but I don't think so, which is why I bought my copy of Digital Deluxe GW2 this morning on the website. Last edited by enter_the_zone; Apr 11, 2012 at 11:04 PM // 23:04.. |
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Apr 11, 2012, 11:08 PM // 23:08
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Furnace Stoker
Join Date: Oct 2008
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As one of the players who bought GW1 when it was first released and have played it for 7 years without stopping, this is my impression of the game.
It seems better to join the game later. Firstly, most of the major bugs would have been fixed by then. Second, more features would have been added by then. If GW1 is any indication, GW2 would probably be designed in a way that benefits newer characters than older characters. Among other things, an example would be LDoA, which older characters have been permanently excluded from participating due to the feature being added much later after release. So I think I should be able to get a better deal this time, if I wait before moving to GW2. As for the Live Team moving to GW2, no surprise there. I have been anticipating this move for a long time, and I am sure many of you do too. But if you want the BEST deal for your money, you should wait because later is when the game would be the most polished and have the most features. Furthermore, some of these newly added features may end up being excluded from your older characters, if GW1 is any indication. Last edited by Daesu; Apr 12, 2012 at 12:24 AM // 00:24.. |
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Apr 12, 2012, 06:08 AM // 06:08
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Frost Gate Guardian
Join Date: Jan 2011
Profession: W/
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^The only reason LDoA was not there for GWs release was because of the fact that it was only obtainable by exploiting the system. Of course they wouldn't have an achievement for an exploit.
They added it later because they wanted to reward perma-pre characters, since the exploit became quite big. |
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Apr 12, 2012, 07:10 AM // 07:10
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Furnace Stoker
Join Date: Oct 2008
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Unfortunately, the older characters cannot gain that title anymore once they have left pre-searing even after the exploit was made public, going back to pre-searing was impossible. The older characters were therefore permanently excluded from the vanguard quests and the LDoA title. Survivor was similar for a long time too but at least that was fixed recently. Therefore in GW2 I believe the newer characters may have special privileges compared to the older characters based on what we know about GW1. We don't know what these future features would be but I bet newer characters have a higher chance of gaining access to them than the older characters. For example, something would be too grindy like LDoA, people start to complain, then ANet would add features to make it more obtainable (e.g. the vanguard quests) which the newer characters can benefit from while the older characters have already done it the hard way or are excluded. Such a pattern would repeat itself in GW2. Last edited by Daesu; Apr 12, 2012 at 07:20 AM // 07:20.. |
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Apr 12, 2012, 07:35 AM // 07:35
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Frost Gate Guardian
Join Date: Jan 2011
Profession: W/
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You really think ArenaNet havent learned anything?
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Apr 12, 2012, 09:01 AM // 09:01
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Grotto Attendant
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Europe
Guild: The German Order [GER]
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Ditto for wintergreen spear (whoa, more than stack of ectoes?). I would not have made tons of plat by farming ettins (griffons, trolls, tengu...). I woild not be able to particiapte in early runs through elite areas and reap rewards of having fresh desirable stuff that can be sold for stack of ectoes. (I miss you, r8 15^50 zodiac daggers) Etc ... it cuts both ways. Raw game has also its opportunities. Early adopters are both blessed and cursed. |
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Apr 12, 2012, 01:57 PM // 13:57
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Ascalonian Squire
Join Date: Sep 2010
Profession: R/
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Many of you don't want to hear it, but products like GW have life cycles, and it is already late in the life cycle of GW1. |
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Apr 12, 2012, 03:41 PM // 15:41
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Join Date: Oct 2008
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The LDoA that was earned in the past before the vanguard quests, however, was earned through a much greater effort and time than it is now. But the title does not distinguish between the 2 methods of earning it. With the large amount of time saved through vanguard quests, newer characters can farm more and get more gold or earn their GWAMM in a shorter amount of time. Last edited by Daesu; Apr 12, 2012 at 04:32 PM // 16:32.. |
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